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Teenage sailor Abby Sunderland approaching treacherous Cape Horn

By: Pete Thomas, GrindTV.com

Abby Sunderland, 16, who cannot legally drive a car but is two months into a quest to become the youngest person to sail around the world alone, on Tuesday will face by far her most daunting challenge yet: the rounding of Cape Horn.

While her friends back home in Southern California are savoring the pleasures of spring, Sunderland is pondering the treacherous passage between South America and Antarctica. With its mountainous, heaving seas and gale-force winds, Cape Horn is a mariners' graveyard, regarded as the Mt. Everest of the yachting universe.

Reached this week via email the budding adventurer from Thousand Oaks claimed she was not afraid.

"I understand very well how dangerous the ocean is, and especially where I am, and I sail carefully and never forget how fast things can turn bad out here," she responded, from a position west of southern Argentina and 700 miles from Cape Horn. "But fear would just get in the way. When things are going on, you don't have time to be scared about it; you have to just get your head around everything and deal with it."

If Sunderland is successful it will mark her first major milestone and the beginning of a long, easterly Southern Ocean traverse aboard a 40-foot yacht named Wild Eyes. Her voyage is controversial because of her age, but also because she'll be entering this notoriously inhospitable stretch as the Southern Hemisphere summer fades to autumn and savagely cold and stormy weather begins to set in.

"My biggest hope is that she has he maturity to wait out any nasty weather rather than push too hard for a record and risk getting into trouble," says Charlie Nobles, executive director of the American Sailing Assn.

Sunderland, who lives in Thousand Oaks, Calif., and embarked Jan. 23 from Marina del Rey, Calif., is one of two 16-year-old girls attempting nonstop, unassisted solo-circumnavigations, subsiding on freeze-dried food and desalinated water, while accepting only verbal or online guidance from home-based teams.

Australia's Jessica Watson began her odyssey from Sydney last October and rounded Cape Horn on Jan. 13. Soon afterward she endured 70-knot winds that threatened to capsize her 34-foot pink sloop.

Watson, now more than 18,000 miles along and crossing the Indian Ocean, is five months older than Sunderland, so Sunderland will become the youngest if she completes her trip within five months of Watson's ending date. (Abby's brother Zac, who completed his voyage at 17, briefly held the distinction as being the youngest sailor to solo-circumnavigate the planet but he made several stops. England's Mike Perham, who is slightly younger, stole that honor weeks later.)

Abby Sunderland's trip was delayed by about two months because of boat issues. Her parents assure, however, that she'll listen closely to weather experts and scurry to the nearest port if conditions become too harsh.

Meanwhile, the intrepid mariner is faring reasonably well. "I miss my family, and my dog, and my friends," she wrote, adding that thoughts often turn to her 5-year-old sister, Katherine. They share a bedroom and Katherine idolizes Abby, and has not slept in the room alone since Abby's departure.

Aside from bouts of loneliness, the eldest Sunderland daughter--one of seven children, with an eighth on the way--insists she's relishing the experience of a lifetime. "Everything around me is so amazing, just standing out on deck is exhilarating," she explained. "Every day there are new experiences, and they always seem better than the last; everything from squalls to gales, to just racing along."

Her parents, on the other hand, are besieged by the same type of angst as when Zac was braving gales and encountering ghost ships carrying suspected pirates.

"I have definitely been recruiting the people in my life who pray," said the mother, Marianne, in reference to a recent convergence of severe weather fronts that were falsely predicted to slam Wild Eyes. "But I am super-impressed with how Abby has handled everything, from the boat and its workings to the loneliness and monotony of everyday life at sea. But I'll be glad when she has rounded the Horn and can get back up into some calmer waters."

Abby might get to see her father before she rounds Cape Horn. Laurence Sunderland has flown to Argentina and hired a captain to take him out to try to photograph Wild Eyes before his daughter attempts the passage, but that might prove difficult as 20- to 25-knot winds and large swells are in the forecast through Tuesday.

After she gets around South America's tip, Abby will turn to the north and attempt to outrun a building Antarctic storm. Ultimately, she'll cross the southern Atlantic and the Indian Ocean, pass between Australia and New Zealand and cross the Pacific on a northeast course toward home.

That's a lot of water to cover and, given her late start, perhaps a lot of icebergs to dodge as well.

-- Photo of Abby Sunderland aboard her vessel, Wild Eyes, courtesy of Gizara Arts

 

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yalahaparadise

Posted by yalahaparadise March 28, 2010 02:33pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

Would be proud to call her my daughter. Go Girl and may God Bless !

cindybin

Reply by cindybin March 28, 2010 03:18pm PDTReport Abuse

Wow, my parents would NEVER have let me do such a thing. I seriously question these parents, how they could let their daughter do this. It isn't safe at all. I sure wouldn't let my children do it.

vickeedee

Reply by vickeedee March 28, 2010 03:28pm PDTReport Abuse

i think that her parents, by letting her do this, show that they trust her completely. they wouldnt have let her go if they didnt think she was completely and totally capable of completing the voyage. and i dont see how anyone can call themselves a parent by keeping their child from doing something they want and are capable of doing. thats keeping them from seeing their true capabilities.

mgbjr42

Reply by mgbjr42 March 28, 2010 03:33pm PDTReport Abuse

what do u want her to sit home depressed because her parents did not trust her ability maybe turning towards drugs or something or trust that she has the ability and know how to accomplish her dream something that will stay with her her whole life it isn"t safe to cross the street but you do anyway get over it

skamo harn

Reply by skamo harn March 28, 2010 03:39pm PDTReport Abuse

Too much safety leads to a sheltered life. Not being trained properly is dangerous. There is more risk crossing a busy street. Staying out too late at night. Life is a risk. learning to keep a cool head and make responsible decisions will take a person farther no matter what age.

tony clement

Reply by tony clement March 28, 2010 03:55pm PDTReport Abuse

Well said vickeedee; living in fear of and failing to take opportunities one has trained long and hard for is no life at all. Taking such an opportunity is living life to its fullest. Her parents seem like God-fearing people who know ultimately Abby's fate as well as everything else in this universe are in God's hands. In any instance I think it takes equally courageous parents to turn their beloved child over to the whims of the universe. Their is great love and grace in allowing a child to fully pursue what they were meant to do when to do so is fraught with unknown peril. I'll pray for this awesome young lady's safe passage to her voyage's conclusion. I would love for Abby's sister to be able to share her room with Abby once again, staying up late to hear the many incredible stories of Abby's journey.

deirdre brandon

Reply by deirdre brandon March 28, 2010 04:37pm PDTReport Abuse

cindybin, being a still pretty young adult, but not as naive and immature as most, im going to say, if my parents would have let me do any of the things i was capable of doing as a kid, i wouldnt have made nearly as many mistakes. by her parents showing her that they trust her AND HER ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS, it builds her sense of selfworth, and lets her believe she can do anything, so when shes finally out on her own, she will already know, she can be independant, and wont have to call home every 2 seconds if gee, she cant figure out that her microwave isnt plugged in or think that she has to have a boyfriend or drugs or whatever to make her a better person. people hold to tight to their kids these days, if you let them learn to make their own choices and live with the mistakes that come with them while they are young, they wont make so many when they are older, they would have already figured out that they have to think of the consequences and weigh out the pros and cons of each situation. after all, mommy and daddy arent gonna be there to make it all better, and sometimes even when mommy and daddy are still around, we do thing they cant fix. so let kids be kids, let them do the things that will help them learn who they are and what and where their limits are. other wise, your kids are gonna be at home till you die, and then they wont know how to take care or theirs. or if they turn out like me..... they will just hate you for ruining chances they had to do things they would have been proud of, and will resent that fact forever. trust me, im 19, my mom still doenst let me learn anything on my own... and i havent lived with her for almost 4 years now!!! let us figure it out. and dont go looking down on someone elses way of raising their kids. you dont know what the whole story is, and if they think its safe, then let them raise their kids their way. its like telling a parent they cant spank their 2 year old, how else will they learn???

jacorourke

Reply by jacorourke March 28, 2010 06:55pm PDTReport Abuse

Have you heard of punctuation or paragraphs? Your ramble is unreadable.

catch66

Reply by catch66 March 28, 2010 06:57pm PDTReport Abuse

Very. Very. Well Said. By doing so,, do we also Learn. We as parent live our life to exemplify
what we relate on a daily basis. Lifes answers, maturing and becoming independent require
thinking of ones OWN decisions.

zacuto

Reply by zacuto March 28, 2010 07:59pm PDTReport Abuse

No way, their is plenty of time for these kids can do this when they are 18 or 20, their is no point in letting a child do this. How will the parents feel if this young girl dies in the trying. Besides the fact that this could be negligent homicide. That's not a decision for a child to make and parent is at least responsible to protect their child till they are 18 (a legal adult). this is just too over the top and I would not let my daughter do this. What she does when she is 18 is her business (I still wouldn't love it but it wouldn't be my decision to make at that point).

kitteh

Reply by kitteh March 28, 2010 08:12pm PDTReport Abuse

Please learn to spell like an adult then and use "there" properly...

eric hampton

Reply by eric hampton March 28, 2010 08:20pm PDTReport Abuse

I agree with the yay sayers. Set aside all the psychobabble and just follow your dreams. Good luck Woman and God Bless.

scrao

Reply by scrao March 28, 2010 08:23pm PDTReport Abuse

If your child was really that determined to accomplish something this great it would be wrong to hold them back. Yes, a parent is supposed to protect their children from harm, but you would be harming your child by not allowing them to reach for their dreams. I'm sure this child was well prepared and educated to do this before she set out on her journey... and is not simply some child deciding to do something crazy who needs her parents to stop her.
Maturity level doesn't necessarily go along with age, your child at 18 or 20 could be less mature then this child. Whether this child makes it or needs to stop due to weather or some other reason, she will always know that she tried and be able to be proud of herself rather then ending up hating her parents for stopping her from attempting to accomplish her dreams

slimjim360

Reply by slimjim360 March 28, 2010 08:33pm PDTReport Abuse

Well honestly sounds like the parents doesn't really want her anyways. I have a daughter and I wouldn't let her do anything that would risk her life.. That's what love is. As far as keeping her from doing something she loves I wouldn't do that either I would send someone with her. Look at all of these gangs and drug dealers, They are doing what they want and love so I guess they had good parents who supported that too even though they die every day... I am just saying letting your kids risk their lives is not love it's irresponsible in my opinion.

usque sidera

Reply by usque sidera March 28, 2010 09:41pm PDTReport Abuse

This young girl is an inspiration. No all the naysayers, just because you or your children were incapable of such a feat at 16 doesn't mean she is also mediocre.
As for the parents, this is a 16 year old were talking about. At that age you ARE AN ADULT. Crushing her dream would just be an inspiration for her never to bother excelling again.

rachelle logsdon

Reply by rachelle logsdon March 28, 2010 09:52pm PDTReport Abuse

I think that her parents EGOS are getting in the way of rational thought. To allow this little girl to go out and do this alone is insane. I don't care what "free thinking" teens feel they can do, there is a reason for adult supervision and care. This is reckless and retarded.

rachelle logsdon

Reply by rachelle logsdon March 28, 2010 09:54pm PDTReport Abuse

You are not living a sheltered life by being cautious and safe. She is just a kid. Her parents are idiots.

rachelle logsdon

Reply by rachelle logsdon March 28, 2010 09:55pm PDTReport Abuse

You are not an adult at 16. Still a baby. Lots to live for in life. I've traveled the world. She has a lot of living to do. This is reckless at any age.

liz wolverton

Reply by liz wolverton March 28, 2010 10:07pm PDTReport Abuse

You can't protect them by wrapping them in bubble wrap or being a helicopter parent. Those of us who grow up boating know it intimately from a very young age. I think it is an amazing story of maturity, skill, and talent. Good luck and God Bless you!

colortints

Reply by colortints March 28, 2010 10:10pm PDTReport Abuse

I don't understand how parents think that keeping their child in a "cage" at home is protecting them, It's quite the opposite, it's slowly destroying them. And not all people are the same, some mature much more quickly than others. However, our society today tells us that a person can't make proper decisions until they turn 18 is absurd., humans aren't born that way. We should follow in this girl's example and find something we are passionate about at this age if not earlier because we would enjoy life and the opportunities it provides so much more, I hope to be able to do want these parents did and let my child flourish as a person, on her own, learning about herself on the way.

usque sidera

Reply by usque sidera March 28, 2010 10:16pm PDTReport Abuse

If you all had really 'traveled the world' you would understand that 16 year olds in other countries are far less immature than in the USA. In many places, they are soldiers, in others college ready, some are wine aficionados or mentoring to be 4-5 star chefs. It's only in America where we can look at a young adult and say "Oh no! She could never achieve because I sure couldn't!"

Good for her for testing her metal and not becoming obese like the rest of the country.

mreh

Reply by mreh March 28, 2010 10:20pm PDTReport Abuse

whats all the hype about? she's not your kid, so why does everyone feel they have to have so much input on this. It's not like any of you know her personally, and are genuinely concerned for safety- by saying how stupid her or her parents are totally negates this. when criticizing her actions and her parents decisions, you are merely gossiping. in the past, "kids" did this all the time, before times became modern and the youth became lazy and irresponsible. just the fact alone that she's showing initiative on such a big issue and following through shows a lot of maturity and responsibility that almost no kids today can show for. why can't we just all wish her the best of luck, quit complaining and each raise our kids the way we'd like to without interfering with others ways of doing so. its not like anything you say will change the situation, all you seem to be doing is spreading negative anger.

afzal mohamed

Reply by afzal mohamed March 29, 2010 03:50am PDTReport Abuse

i think its great that that this goung lady is taking up a great quest to do such a thing... im not her parents but would not have my kid do it... i prefer if he/she does better at academics or even sports..
i wish her luck.. it will be great if she does it...
however if something does go wrong then everyone involved should be held accountable for letting this girl go out like that...
thats what i think..

doda44

Reply by doda44 March 29, 2010 06:45am PDTReport Abuse

Such a non story. Just another spoiled rich brat.

mcmcfarland

Reply by mcmcfarland March 29, 2010 06:45am PDTReport Abuse

So why not let her hitchhike across the country, if she wants to? It is too dangerous and she is too young to even make that kind of decision. She is not even mature enough to drive a car, enlist in the military, smoke drink or even have a full time job. Has she graduated high school yet? Would you allow her to park your new BMW in a car lot? She is a 16 year old and her brain has not developed enough to make cognitive decisions. She may be smart, pretty and very mature for her age, but she is still too immature to make decisions like this... Everyone talks about weather being bad, what about pirates of the high seas? They can not be seen on a weather radar. They appear and no matter how mature she is, my tax dollars are going to be used to rescue her, because mommy and daddy let her do this stupid act. Remember Amelia Earhart, gone without a trace.

robyn crider

Reply by robyn crider March 29, 2010 07:19am PDTReport Abuse

This is the first post I have ever cared enough to write a reply about. I guess I should be surprised by how many of you are so ready to crucify the parents about their "lack of parenting". But, I really am not. In our society it is much easier to point a finger and cast blame than to be introspective and take care of our own lives. I would hope that most of you are intelligent enough to realize that every child matures at a different level; that different parents parent differently (not necessarily incorrectly); that what is appropriate for one teen may not be appropriate for another (and vice versa); so on and so forth. For anyone to make sweeping judgments about this teen's ability based simply on her age is more like gossip than constructive criticism. I have three amazing teens myself, and while they have not circumnavigated the globe, they have accomplished things that others said was impossible or dangerous. Might I point out that her older brother has already made this trip? Obviously, they know the dangers and have taken every chance to prepare for them. I am ashamed that so many would cast doubt in the parents' minds when at this point, they need our encouragement. I agree with some repliers that this young woman is right to reach for her potential. I pray that she will use wisdom and maturity to make the decisions that await her. I would also say that a more protected life does not insure safety. Many children suffer tragedy on our own hometown streets. As for the end that befell Earhart, she died doing what she loved and we are STILL talking about her decades later. She has inspired generations of women to reach their goals. What a legacy! Even though tragic, I would argue that most adventurous young women would love to be remembered in this way. GO GIRL!!!!

meow meow

Reply by meow meow March 29, 2010 07:31am PDTReport Abuse

Exactly.. She is obviously not mature enough to make this kind of decision. She has plenty of time to achieve her dreams. It's sensationalism. She wants that trophy. Most children do. Her parents have a responsibility to keep her safe until she is of legal age. I hope her parents are charged if anything should happen to her.

mtr_ia

Reply by mtr_ia March 29, 2010 07:48am PDTReport Abuse

Throughout history, sixteen year olds (and younger) have done some pretty remarkable things.

Maybe our society - not her parents - is the one to point the finger at ... In most cases today, 16 year olds aren't prepared or mature enough to handle much -- instead, in most cases, they're playing video games, watching TV and not making much of a difference in the world. I know I was, and that's nothing to be proud of.

Good for her parents for preparing her and then trusting her.

Will be praying for Abby in these particularly tense days of her trip.

hippiedawn12

Reply by hippiedawn12 March 29, 2010 08:37am PDTReport Abuse

The point of being a parent is to make the mature and responsible decisions for your child. You can trust in your child and still not let them do something. I can trust my daughter to stay out till 3 am on New Year's but there are other obstacles (drunk drivers) that will keep me from ever letting her do it. I AM THE PARENT. People are too afraid to do what is RIGHT nowadays, they are more worried about what is popular. This girl is not doing this to travel the world, she is doing it to break a record. If this was only about going around the world then she would have been just as able at 18 as she is now (probably more so). What these parents are doing is just irresponsible. I pray that this girl returns home safely. Are you people going to be cheering on the next kid who does this too? Pretty soon it is going to be an 11 year old out there trying to break another pointless record.

cynicalcoyote

Reply by cynicalcoyote March 29, 2010 08:41am PDTReport Abuse

Good luck, kid and don't die out there.

carolrhill814

Reply by carolrhill814 March 29, 2010 08:56am PDTReport Abuse

I think what she is doing is wonderful because all you hear is negetive things about the youth today and she is wonderful in my book.

I could never ever do this because I am so scared to big water such as the ocean but she is not and that is wonderful.

I am proud of her but scared at the same time but I wish I could have had the nerve to do what she is doing.

I am also prould of her parents to give her the freedom to go after her dreams as young as she is and they had complete trust in her to let her go.

When I was a child my mother wanted to fulfill my dream to be a model and gathered enough money of which we didn't have much at all so I have no idea where she got it and allowed me to go to modeling school but the woman ahead of the school told me I was to ugly so don't even bother I was demolished and never went any futher. So you can see what one (1) adult can do to distroy someone's dream.

So I am so proud of her parents to allow her to fulfill her dreams at a young age and now she go on and do other things in life.

MAY GOD BLESS ABBY AND HER ENTIRE FAMILY DURING THIS REALLY TOUGH TIME AND FOR ALL THE YEARS TO COME AS I AM SURE HE WILL!!!

toodle68

Reply by toodle68 March 29, 2010 09:01am PDTReport Abuse

If 16 is not too young, then what about 15? What about 13? The 13 year old in Holland was taken into care because her parents were going to allow her to do this type of trip. At what point does it become to much, too soon.

There is a big difference between allowing a 16 year old to sail around the world and keeping them safe and locked up in their rooms. It seems most of you can only see the 2 extremes in your opinions. I trust my daughter a great deal and she has a lot of freedom in her life to do what she wants, but I would not let her attempt something like this. If she really wants to do it, then do it when you turn 18 when the decision truly is 100% hers.

rejen68

Reply by rejen68 March 29, 2010 09:38am PDTReport Abuse

I would like more information about what made her decide take on such a physical and emotional task at this point in her life? Is this something that she felt needed to be accomplished now or was she pressured into it by her brother or parents wanting the publicity they achieved when her brother briefly held this record? I know that a lot of parents push thier children to achieve in sports and academics to try and satisfy whhat they missed.

robert cartwright

Reply by robert cartwright March 29, 2010 06:30pm PDTReport Abuse

Personally, I believe that the reason her parents allowed her to undertake this quest is because of her older brother being able to complete his voyage, and also because they trust that she is mature enough to take care of herself. I wish my parents had given me that kind of encouragement when i was that age because i would have turned out much differently. So i agree with all the yay sayers and I say Good Job and God Bless!!!!!!

olatunde jr awe

Posted by olatunde jr awe March 28, 2010 02:35pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

i dont know you but i wish you Good luck.......go Abby......achieve your goals and dreams.......be safe!

informed

Reply by informed March 29, 2010 08:04am PDTReport Abuse

I don't agree with a child traveling alone around the world. It's one thing to drive from San Diego to LA at 16 but sail around the WORLD? It's too dangerous and has NOTHING to do with her following her dreams! We, as humans, are NEVER too old to search for life's happiness so why the rush?

In these days, too many parents are "afraid" of their children! Afraid to say no, afraid the kid won't "like them", afraid it will cause tension with the KID! SOMETIMES, one has to think for the kid (YOUR job as a parent) and this is clearly an instance where that should have been done.

My husband and I were NEVER afraid to say no to our kids, EVER! We encouraged them to follow their dreams and be anything they wanted to be in life. BUT, when they wanted to do something that was CLEARLY "out of the norm", we soundly and routinely said NO, end of story goodnight and go to bed. The 2nd day of EVERY Month we, as a family, would sit down and ask the kids what their goals were for the month and how, if any, could we help them achieve them. EVERY MONTH! Sometimes our answer was yes "you can do that" or "absolutely NOT" you can't. Life is about balance and hearing the word NO is OK sometimes.

And by the way, we have 4 kids and they are ALL successful and doing EXTREMELY well as adults. JUST this past Christmas (in addition to the regular gifts) they gave us a thank you board (NOT solicited by us). Each of our children wrote all the things they thanked us for when they were growing up. From material things to words of wisdom to THINKING for them when t

tjmj

Reply by tjmj March 29, 2010 08:11am PDTReport Abuse

Dude your so lame. Who cares! That is her dream you idiot. Read the title? if she doesn't do it, then she wont be able to accomplish it. Your such a hypocrite.

seetheworld

Reply by seetheworld March 29, 2010 09:56am PDTReport Abuse

“Life is either a great adventure or nothing.” (helen keller)

dr p

Reply by dr p March 29, 2010 01:41pm PDTReport Abuse

i find it funny how everyone thinks they know how to raise everyone elses child. if she wants to sail the world and her parents allow her then why is it your business? do you know her? no. let her live her dream and to the douche up there that said shes jus some rich brat, well, i highly doubt that because brats would sit there and demand service and all that crap and hate on everyone else, much like you. let her live, shes not your kid so no one cares about you ignorant opinion

vicki walden

Reply by vicki walden March 29, 2010 02:38pm PDTReport Abuse

Sail on baby girl!!! Go get it! What a journey! God bless you as I know He has already!

brett ernde

Reply by brett ernde March 29, 2010 02:53pm PDTReport Abuse

Just a few quick questions for you, informed... Why are you yelling? Did somebody offend you? That type of reaction only fuels the devious fire that can be "The Internet Message Board." Also, you mentioned your four children are "ALL successful" and "doing EXTREMELY well," please define "successful" and "well" They probably differ from little Abby's views. And thats who this article is about... not you... or your kids... who have never sailed around the world..

dean curtis

Reply by dean curtis April 1, 2010 11:49am PDTReport Abuse

Seriously, I think it's a natural selection issue, and if Abby feels she is the connection to that soul voyage, she is entitled to it. If I were about to leave on an Epic journey,(I am), I would want to be in her shoes. Plastiki's shoes and Zaks shoes. I'm going to do the same thing, except I'm aging to Sixty and Lovin' it. There is a little saying: Either you can put the dog in the fight, or you can put the fight in the dog. Parents are parents when they see eye to eye with their children, on whatever they do. Project.cheers@Yahoo.com or http://www.Flickr.com/groups/cheershaven

neo1mantra

Posted by neo1mantra March 28, 2010 02:45pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

I commend you for your bravery. May you be safe and get home without any delay. My thoughts are with you...

rockmanforte

Posted by rockmanforte March 28, 2010 02:50pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

@yalahaparadise,

I am sorry to tell you but No... Read this

Proverbs 8:13- To fear the Lord is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.
Proverbs 29:23- A man’s pride brings him low but a man of lowly spirit gains honor.

The Bible's discussion of pride is overwhelmingly negative. That's not to say that the Bible doesn't want us to have satisfaction in life or to respect ourselves. The truth is that the world sees very little wrong with pride, but that's because the world refuses to accept God's importance in a person's life.

In God's eyes, there are two types of pride. The first is good pride, but the Bible doesn't really call it pride. In fact, the verses that pertain to this concept look at it in terms of self-acceptance and wholeness of self. One such versus is GivenLife's namesake Bible verse, John 10:10, (KJV) "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." As Christians, we can take pride in who we are in Christ.

The other kind of pride is the kind that drives a wedge between a Christian and God. God's word says that it is wisdom to rid yourself of pride. The Bible also contrasts pride with obedience and subjugation. This is one reason why the world isn't too keen on pride. In the world's eyes, it's not fun to obey or to subject yourself to authority. You shouldn't have to do that if you don't want to! The bottom line is that this kind of pride is sin. Leviticus 26:19 calls continuing sin "stubborn pride" (NIV), "pride of your power" (KJV), and an "arrogant spirit" (NLT).

TSK TSK TSK!

zipped

Reply by zipped March 28, 2010 03:02pm PDTReport Abuse

by the way, this post is a perfect example of arrogance. You are worse off than yalahaparadise. You even concluded your post with "TSK TSK TSK" Maybe you should go repent your own sins before you look down upon others

trubeats

Reply by trubeats March 28, 2010 03:07pm PDTReport Abuse

Is there any mention of us judging other people? What about the log in your own eye?

You took yalahaparadise's comments WAY out of context therefore making you a complete idiot.

bigdoghat

Reply by bigdoghat March 28, 2010 03:09pm PDTReport Abuse

The Bible says a lot of things and if people like you didn't take it so literally the world would be a much, much happier place. What about judgement? As far as I know, the Bible doesn't condone that either yet this is the crux of your entire reply. Stop judging and selectively quoting and start practicing some compassion and empathy - and open your eyes to how hypocritical you're being, if you're that into the Bible

sektumsempra

Reply by sektumsempra March 28, 2010 03:13pm PDTReport Abuse

What does religion have to do with this???

matthew faxon

Reply by matthew faxon March 28, 2010 03:15pm PDTReport Abuse

seriously you don't need to be quoting the bible that is way arrogant on your part please never post a comment on here again

jason mester

Reply by jason mester March 28, 2010 03:24pm PDTReport Abuse

I am somewhat religious and know full well the verses you speak of. You twisted them to suit your goals here. Pride mentioned in the Bible is not the sin that is condemned almost solely by the Catholic faith... and Yes I grew up in that church so I know full well what I speak of. When a parent says 'I am proud of...' this is not a sin or anything against God but a different manner to say this 'I am extremely pleased with...' There is a massive difference between being Proud and Prideful. I suggest longer hours studying the scriptures before inserting that foot and swallowing to the knee next time. The Topical Guide is a handy reference as well.

iloveyou123

Reply by iloveyou123 March 28, 2010 03:34pm PDTReport Abuse

...and Thor wielded his hammer, and Zeus cast lightning bolts and wizards held off dragons and cast ye into the dungeon... you are so delusional and sick... and then you top it off with a hypocritical casting-stones-catholic-school-nun-like TSK TSK TSK? your whole posting was prideful and judgmental. you don't know this girl, but you use your sick telephone-game of a religion to try to stunt and mute a young girl's soul and dreams. ha ha ha, you're the main reason this planet is backwards. EVOLVE, you're in a cult. think for yourself, but you probably won't because you're scared of some horned devil-creature pitchforking you into the lava pits of hell... you are a silly little slave... and the bottom line is that you're scared and you're motivated by fear. you are toxic. www.godisimaginary.com

addie tanous

Reply by addie tanous March 28, 2010 03:54pm PDTReport Abuse

I'm a Christian( not Catholic, or Baptist, etc. just non-denomination and I'm not trying to offend those who are) and do agree that pride is a bad thing. But not self satisfaction, just the kind of pride that makes a person think they don't need anyone to help them. Arrogance is hurtful to the people who love and care about you and the same is with God, He's sad when people think they don't need him because He loves them. Also, the pride that gives people an attitude where they think they are above other people no matter what religion, or gender, etc. they are. Also, Matthew 7 >>
King James Bible
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. There's no need to judge anyone here, they are just stating their opinion, you can agree or disagree but judging is different and humans are't really mature enough to handle it, that's why it's God's job :P But to Abby, I wish you a safe and blessed journey. God loves you soooo much and don't forget it :)

naturscenes

Reply by naturscenes March 28, 2010 05:21pm PDTReport Abuse

Sounds like "God" is the most 'prideful' of all. Apparently he just can't stand it if anyone happens to not need him.

sholesst

Reply by sholesst March 28, 2010 05:41pm PDTReport Abuse

God does not exist except in your mind. Sorry to break it to you so bluntly, but hey, it's 2010. We have science and no longer need spitirtual mythology to explain our world and give us comfort. But you do your thing and we'll do ours ok? Can you handle that at least?

robert buckley

Reply by robert buckley March 28, 2010 07:12pm PDTReport Abuse

I will agree with you the wrong kind of pride is sinful but I do not see where this type of pride has put a wedge between her and God. Christ says in Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge lest you be judged" and then Paul in the book of Romans 14:13 "Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this-- not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way." and the versus go on and on about passing judgement. Please don't pass judgement on this young lady or the poster, or even speculate.

grusg

Reply by grusg March 28, 2010 07:46pm PDTReport Abuse

That is the funniest thing I've heard all day! -> God does not exist except in your mind. Sorry to break it to you so bluntly, but hey, it's 2010. We have science and no longer blah blah blah ....

Yeah, maybe you're right, it's 2010 so maybe He didn't stick around cuz we got science and what not now!? Maybe when the millenium changed and He noticed that He didn't end the world like we told Him He would, well maybe He just caught the last train to the coast or something. Oh yeah, 2010, probably not a train because we have computers now too, He probably worked out a good deal on price line for a cheap air fare tix.

robert buckley

Reply by robert buckley March 28, 2010 09:07pm PDTReport Abuse

Please lets everyone try to get along aside from our beliefs about the existence of God. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs regardless of others. But anyways I do hope she makes it all the way:-) peace

alexander riehl

Reply by alexander riehl March 28, 2010 09:28pm PDTReport Abuse

Please excuse any typographical errors I may make, as in any large volume of text there is a possibility of such errors occurring. Although this is specifically directed at @rockmanforte, everyone else reading this may want to try this.
It also says in the bible, @rockmanforte, that Satan can use scripture to support his own morals. As a Christian, I can say that you clearly have taken verses out of context and used them to support your point. Unfortunately, due to the large size of the Bible and the number of verses contained therein, if you look in the right places, someone could find verses to back up any viewpoint, often opposing viewpoints.
Try this quick, easy exercise: take a look at your Bible. Find all the verses that support your viewpoint regardless of context. Then look at the context. Does the verse actually mean what you think it means? It's like taking a single sentence from a story and trying to decide what the story is about from that one sentence. For example, if I gave you a sentence from a popular novel, Arthur Conan Doyle's classic, The Hound of the Baskervilles, "'He may find his way in, but never out,' she cried." What do you, if you have never read this book before, infer about it from that sentence, which was just found by opening the book to a random page and choosing a sentence at random? Now, if you've read the book, you know that that sentence, while an important part of the dialogue, is clearly not representative of the context.
Now that you've done that, try looking and finding information that supports the OPPOSING side.
Find the verses; observe the context. See how, seperate from the whole, a sentence means practically nothing? (With the possible exception of a topic sentence in a formal research paper, of course.)

Have a seat for a moment while you mull this stunning new revelation over.

Do you get it? The meaning isn't in the exact sentences, the meaning is in the story as a whole. Excuse multiple postings; I have a lot to say.

alexander riehl

Reply by alexander riehl March 28, 2010 09:47pm PDTReport Abuse

Well, my page refreshed on me while I was halfway through typing up the rest of it, and unfortunately it's near midnight where I am. Just try opening a book to a random page, and pointing at a random word--with your eyes closed. Open them; read the word. Should you take it literally? If the word is "die", should you take it literally, by finding a way to do just that? Of course not. Meanings of words change; words cease to exist. Take the case of the word "Sustren." It probably looks like something most people have never seen before. Long ago, this was the feminine form of "Brethren." Surprised? The word 'sustren' evolved into 'sister,' among other derivatives, which for the sake of time I will not list here. As the bible is, in its most original form, written in Hebrew, Latin, and Aramaic, translation is not easy. Translators must convert three languages into one, and still give the language a flowing sound. Mostly, we translate our bibles from ones that were written in only Latin. Better; but still not perfect; there are words that may exist in Greek and Aramaic that have no cognate in Latin. So, a word that is close to the correct word is used, and word order is shifted to help the sentence flow. Now, the word fits in with the rest of the story, and the point of the story can come across largely intact, with the only loss being that the actual words, while the overall meaning is the same, are different; more accessible, yet each word or phrase is not to be taken literally.

I rest my case. Please just take a minute to think about this clearly.

come_a_bout

Reply by come_a_bout March 28, 2010 11:06pm PDTReport Abuse

TSK, TSK, TSK ? Someone comments that they would be proud to call this girl their own, and thats a sin? The article is about a young lady named Abby who plans on circumnavigating the world and you didn't even comment on her, I'm glad you and God are OK with that part. You know the real threat are the evil sinners who respect Abby and her parents for allowing her to take on a trip like this. Yes, those folks are the real evil-doers the sinister pawns of Beelzebub, they will stop at nothing in their dark and nasty plan to silence any kind of encouragement, trust, faith, hope and good will toward anyone in this world that doesn't fit into their narrow view of life. THANK GOD you are keeping an eye on things till our Lord returns.
PS - Don't forget those malicious devils who don't use spell check or punctuation and paragraphs correctly. They want to re-write the King James version of the Bible, me thinkith.

sonofsocal

Reply by sonofsocal March 28, 2010 11:22pm PDTReport Abuse

Look the bible says some good stuff. I'm pretty religious, but you have to remember when the bible was written (or handed down which ever your preference is), the world was flat. So the fact that you're quoting the bible trying to oppose a girl circumnavigating is ignorant and stupid. Plus I know for a fact that no one would have different opinions if she said she felt Jesus out there. Or God. I''m Jewish, she's nonreligious, original poster was christian. So lets keep our stupid old ideologies out of this girls life ok?

dr p

Reply by dr p March 29, 2010 01:45pm PDTReport Abuse

yes, god does exist however there are ignorant "followers" that think they are the shit because theyre christian, i am, but some look down on other for it and that oonly makes us and our savior look bad

addie tanous

Reply by addie tanous March 29, 2010 03:39pm PDTReport Abuse

God isn't prideful. It's more like a really loving parent :) but I respect your religious views and see what you're talking about from your point of view. Anyways I hope everyone here has a great day :)

robert cartwright

Reply by robert cartwright March 29, 2010 06:37pm PDTReport Abuse

OK wow, you all need to chill with the religion thing. If you want to criticize someone just look at your own life and let others live theirs. I mean really, the girl wants her older brother and parents to be proud of her, so why blast that, it is wonderful that she wants to set records. Where would our country be if we didn't have people willing to go outside the norm and take risks?

simone johnson

Posted by simone johnson March 28, 2010 02:52pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

I wish you the best of luck and great success in completing your trip of a life time. congratulations on how far you have gotten and i hope to read an article about your completion of the voyage. :D

georges2run

Posted by georges2run March 28, 2010 02:55pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

Go Abby. I wish the best through the Drake Passage. Be careful, be patient and be safe. Rough seas there as you know. God be with you

malin

Posted by malin March 28, 2010 03:01pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

good luck, but there's another girl from australia doing the same thing!!!!!!

dh4fun03

Posted by dh4fun03 March 28, 2010 03:03pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

You go girl we will all be saying an old Nordic sailor prayer for you .

coopercat

Posted by coopercat March 28, 2010 03:06pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

Here is a question. If anything bad happens to her, she is a minor, should the parents be charged with child endangerment? Think about it. Would they have let her go at 15? 14?

lizoneill

Reply by lizoneill March 28, 2010 03:12pm PDTReport Abuse

NO! MAYBE SHE EMANCIPATED HERSELF SO SHE COULD DO THIS ! BUT I THINK HER PARENTS LIKE HER ARE BRAVE TO LET THIS HAPPEN! SHE COULD DIE FROM ANYTHING TODAY CROSS THE STREET SIT IN SCHOOL AND GET SHOT DRUGSS! SO LETS SAY GOOD LUCK ABBY ! GO FOR IT!

azsailor

Reply by azsailor March 28, 2010 03:47pm PDTReport Abuse

Check into it, she has more sailing experience than most adults!!!

vickeedee

Reply by vickeedee March 28, 2010 07:47pm PDTReport Abuse

uhm, they should NOT be charged. it was her own decision. her parents would not have let her go unless she had the experience. they probably wouldnt have let her go earlier because she wouldnt have the experience and i believe she would have known she didnt have the experience to safely make it around the world. so no. they shouldnt be charged with anything.

joy alba

Reply by joy alba March 28, 2010 08:08pm PDTReport Abuse

At 7 my daughter decided to hitch hike to our local airport to fly to London to catch a train into the countryside to the manor house so she could play hide and seek to find Narnia. And as a GOOD PARENT I drug her ass back HOME.

A parents job is to provide for, protect, and GUIDE children until they are OLD ENOUGH to make decisions on their own. Trust has NOTHING to DO with it. AGE does. At 16 a LOT of things SEEM like a great idea, that ARENT.

And as sad as it is jailing them if the ocean takes her wont be necessary. Because they'll already be in a hell of their own making.

GOOD LUCK you STUPID kid!!!!

kitteh

Reply by kitteh March 28, 2010 08:19pm PDTReport Abuse

Your spelling and grammar makes me wonder where you get off passing judgements on the intelligence of another person?

scrao

Reply by scrao March 28, 2010 08:33pm PDTReport Abuse

Age and maturity don't always go hand in hand.... and there is a huge difference between your 7 year old and this girl in both age and maturity

willing483

Reply by willing483 March 28, 2010 08:42pm PDTReport Abuse

maybe there is no body that is going to live forever on this planet and if she is going to die at lest shell be going out living rather than being raped , murdered, or kidnapped from her own yard . let that family live with out all this political crap that has ruined so many familys

robert buckley

Reply by robert buckley March 28, 2010 09:16pm PDTReport Abuse

Joy who are you to be passing the judgments on this girls parents. You do not know them nor do you know her, therefor how can you call her stupid. I imagine she is a very talented young lady who has made an informed choice on her own. I have three children and although I do not want to see something happen to them I still have to let them grow up and discover on their own. It is part of the growing experience. You can't shelter them forever.

tperdue

Reply by tperdue March 28, 2010 09:23pm PDTReport Abuse

joy alba. you suck. you don't own a manor either. don't call her stupid because you don't agree with something

selkie

Reply by selkie March 28, 2010 09:39pm PDTReport Abuse

16 was considered an adult less than 100 years ago. Countless 16-year-olds throughout history have gone to sea, gone to war, gone exploring uncharted lands, done great deeds and made great discoveries. Anyone with the courage and resourcefulness to do what this young woman is doing is not a "stupid kid." Would you instantly feel better about the whole thing if she was 18? 18 isn't some magic number that suddenly makes a person capable of things they weren't capable of two years ago.

We have become so hyperprotective of our young people that most of them wouldn't dare anything close to the adventure this young woman is undertaking. She's not your child, and she's obviously not being abused or neglected - in fact I'd wager she has a more loving family and a more supportive home life than most kids who go straight home to play video games after school, and aren't allowed to be outside after sunset.

wm12x12

Reply by wm12x12 March 29, 2010 12:59am PDTReport Abuse

And countless 16-year-olds died! A vast majority of the "great deeds" and "great discoveries" were made by ADULTS! Less than 100 years ago, crossing the ocean with a full complement of sailors was a risky proposition at which MANY 16-year-olds (and older) DIED! Less than 100 years ago, if someone attempted something like this, there would likely not be the availability of governmental agencies to rescue him/her! These "hearken back to ye olde days" comparisons are incredibly faulty.

Laws were enacted less than 100 years ago to protect children from the stupidity and exploitation of parents, institutions and yes, even themselves. It's likely, without these protections, she could just as easily have died in a mine, factory, or even out on the street (ever heard of mortality rates?).

I agree we have become too hyperprotective of our young people! And I'm not advocating being lazy and stupid just to live longer! However, forcing one's own will upon the forces of nature, JUST to set a record, is not only irresponsible, it's arrogant. Why NOT wait until one is 18 or even 20? The adventure would be NO less amazing or exciting or unique! And one would have a couple more years of decision-making, maturity and LIFE experience behind him/her. Her parents epitomize the indulgence and arrogance that are corrupting our children.

Courage is action in the face of fear. This girl claims not to HAVE fear and further, that fear would "just get in the way". This is not courage; this is stupidity! Fear is a natural instinct in all normally-functioning animals for the purpose self-preservation.

And if she requires rescuing or even "recovery", who will foot the bill for this indulgent attempt at a record? The taxpayers in whatever part of the world the rescue would take place, I'm quite certain. I hope all of you who applaud this effort are waiting with your checkbooks in hand!

My sincerest hope is she make it home safe and sound.

sgtangry

Reply by sgtangry March 29, 2010 03:25am PDTReport Abuse

Some people would define courage as the strength to face and handle your fears. If not for that, and your "forcing one's own will against the forces of nature," many things we currently enjoy on a daily basis would not ever have been discovered or embraced. If it makes you sleep better at night knowing that tax payers wouldn't be responsible to aid someone if needed i would offer my checkbook, and even myself to rescue her. Being raised by a single mother in fear constantly, I can say i would have been much better off, and matured faster, if I had the support to realize my dreams before it was too late.

liltroop32

Reply by liltroop32 March 29, 2010 03:43am PDTReport Abuse

You can not put an age on maturity or ability. At age 15 I was abandoned and forced to survive on my own, and I made decisions that landed me where I sit today a married father of 2 and a engineering job in the aerospace industry. Also just last week I read of a teen who is attending college working on his degree. All to often there are parents who jump to criticize others and say they are stupid or too young to do something, yet we do it everyday and succeed at it and there is still everyday adults by your opinion make the wrong decisions and find themselves in bad situations. So with that said you can not put an age on maturity or ability, and the best you can do is hope that you know your abilities and make the right decisions. I wish her all the luck in the world and hope she enjoys this huge adventure. I hope the seas bless her I know how they can be after 8 years in the Navy. As for those of you who disagree that is the right you are given for being American just don't abuse that right and think before you jump to judge someone you do not know. She could very well be twice the person you may be or half I don't know and neither do you.

Fair Winds and following seas ladies hope to read of your success.

afzal mohamed

Reply by afzal mohamed March 29, 2010 03:52am PDTReport Abuse

YES THEY SHOULD.... AND EVERYONE ELSE INVOLVED....

wizarddrummer

Reply by wizarddrummer March 29, 2010 07:52am PDTReport Abuse

To the many Hypocrites and narrow-minded-I-know-whats-best-for-your-life.
Some of you astonish me. You are the people that think that it's OK to charge someone under 18 as an adult for murder (a conscious deliberate decision) in the court system

"(CBS) On Feb. 15, 2003, Craig Sorger, 13, was found murdered.

... The small town of Ephrata, Wash., was stunned when his two 12-year-old playmates were arrested and charged with his murder.

Despite their age, the judge decided they should be tried as adults, saying that, if guilty, the crime was so gruesome he doubted..."

Also: In April 2006, 12-year-old Jasmine Richardson became the youngest person ever charged with multiple counts of murder in Canada.

At the same time you think that a 16 year old that manufactures a fake ID; goes into a liqueur store; buys alcohol (a conscious decision); meets a 22 year old; goes to a hotel to have sex and days later that poor sucker is arrested. A 16 year old is not capable of making a decision to have sex. Now he's a sex offender. Because the defenseless girl was victimized.

When I was 17 and had sex with a really hot 26yr old woman; I didn't feel victimized. I knew exactly what I wanted.

Then: Moshe Kai Cavalin "Cavalin has gradated from East Los Angeles Community College. But, graduating college at 11" THIS means that Moshe STARTED college at 7 or 8.

How about 7 year old pilots?

It's amazing how stupid and ignorant some of you are. No one pays any attention to history? MORONS! "street urchins"; at the turn of the last century New York was filled with millions of homeless kids that eventually forged this nation.

People in the USA are overtly obsessed about age and meddling in other people affairs.

CHRONOLOGICAL AGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A PERSON'S MATURITY.
Look at some of the FOOLS in CONGRESS! In their 50's acting like 9 year olds.

I can only wish I had had parents that were as incredible as these parents are.

Abby, where ever you are; YOU GO GIRL!
Come back safe!

trevor rockhold

Reply by trevor rockhold March 29, 2010 10:37am PDTReport Abuse

wizard drummer, if you kill someone you dont deserve to keep your own life., regardless of age. you are the type of person that would let someone claim "not mentally fit to stand trial". if someone isnt mentally fit to understand the serious acts that they have commited, in this case murder, whats to say that they should get a chance to go out and do it again? whats to say we wouldnt be saving several lives if we put this person behind bars and actually explain to them what they have done? they havent just murdered someone, they have left a trail of havoc behind them. they didnt just take one life, they scarred anywhere from 10 to thousands of lives because they "didnt know it was wrong". maybe we should let all murderers out of jail if they all claim "i didnt know it was wrong". i guess if we do that then everything would be fine right? think about shit before you bring it up. and when you say people are overly obsessed about meddling in other peoples affairs, arent you talking about yourself since you decided to take on the challenge of deciding that if your under 18 you can kill someone and basically get away with it? i love how your whole comment thesis was about how everyone else is hypocrites, when you in fact are the biggesst hypocrite of all. and yes, you did just get served by a 13 year old boy. and yes, if i murder someone i fee i should be tried as an adult. STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!

ronacin

Reply by ronacin March 29, 2010 12:35pm PDTReport Abuse

Trevor,
You totally misunderstood what Wizard runner was trying to say. You read the post, focused on one thing and ignored the rest. It basically went in one "ear" and out the other. I would try to explain it to you but you wouldn't understand and it would be a waste of time.

grahamviergets

Reply by grahamviergets March 31, 2010 04:47pm PDTReport Abuse

This is horrendous......Everyone needs to realize what they are saying before you say it. Talking about murderers.....really? How old are we? Instead of all the negativity maybe you should embrace the youg girl as she sets out on a trip that has such a major impact on ones life!

wizarddrummer

Reply by wizarddrummer July 15, 2010 08:21pm PDTReport Abuse

Trevor, as ronacin so eloquently penned it you simply did not grasp the totality of the message.

Most of the idiots in our society have been brainwashed to believe that 18 is the magic age where a person reaches a level maturity in mind and body to be considered an adult.

But they differentiate this with a two sided argument.

A) Someone under 18 can make a decision to murder someone and be charged.
B) Someone under 18 CAN NOT make a decision to have sex with someone that is 23. The person that is 23 will be charged with a crime and become a sex offender.
This is the hypocrisy to which I refer.

You are a perfect example of this. After reading some of your comments I am guessing you are between 18 and 22 at the most and it further illustrates my point. You exhibit less intelligence and common sense than some 14 year olds that I have met.

The chronological age of 18 has no bearing on a person's ability to assimilate information and perform tasks. There are people as young as 8 that have flown airplanes, a task, I can assure you is well beyond your capability. In order to fly you must be able to read and understand large paragraphs of information and not focus on one small point that you blow out of context. Piloting a boat on a trip around the world is even more arduous.

My simple message is that life is a journey. Live it to the fullest. Do you best to harm no one in the process of living it.

Don't listen to idiots like Trevor and other people that say you can't do things because you are too young.

Trevor, I still don't know what your point is and I really don't care because it was meaningless and abusive.

To quote you .. "STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!"

rockmanforte

Posted by rockmanforte March 28, 2010 03:09pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

Maybe I shouldn't say "TSK TSK" but the bible is telling the truth.

trubeats

Reply by trubeats March 28, 2010 03:12pm PDTReport Abuse

maybe you shouldn't say anything

jason mester

Reply by jason mester March 28, 2010 03:32pm PDTReport Abuse

Again the great and vast difference between Proud and Prideful or better yet proud of something or someone to show you are pleased greatly or on the negative side of the coin you have boastful. One thing I have learned about the Bible as with ALL scripture or religious document is that it is open to interpretation and that is precisely what you are doing here still. I can twist the Bible to suit my needs or anybody's for that matter. For the Bible to speak true to you you need to have true insight to what you are speaking of or wish to. You sadly do not or you would have known better than to come to the public space and speak on such a high horse and show complete lack of understanding of Pride as a subject, notion and sin. Just because you insist that Pride is all around bad or sinful based on YOUR personal views of the scriptures does not make it so. Yes the Bible is true in my eyes and a great many others but your interpretation of it is false... Thou shall not bare false witness... ring a bell?

joliet romeo

Reply by joliet romeo March 28, 2010 04:59pm PDTReport Abuse

never use the bible as a reference. not that i disagree with what the bible teaches, but it makes you sound arrogant.

falconslax89

Reply by falconslax89 March 28, 2010 07:08pm PDTReport Abuse

hello. you are a douchebag. that is all.

altair013

Reply by altair013 March 28, 2010 08:25pm PDTReport Abuse

who is to say that the bible is the truth?prove to me that all of those events that are in the bible actually happened then you can say it is the truth

robert buckley

Reply by robert buckley March 28, 2010 09:12pm PDTReport Abuse

Actually the Bible has been proven over and over to be HISTORICALLY accurate but I won't get into the argument of whether or not God exist or whether or not it is Truth. I believe it to be Truth and that is why our great nation is great because everybody is free to their own beliefs.

alexander riehl

Reply by alexander riehl March 28, 2010 09:56pm PDTReport Abuse

@rockmanforte, and all the other people posting here, please refer back to @rockmanforte's earlier post and my comment there. Read it. Ponder it. @Jason Mester--your point I understand, however a little grammar makes your comment read a whole lot more clearly. @falconslax89: Why even waste time posting this? All it does is make pointless accusations against a fellow human. @altair013: When you learn how to use proper grammar, than someone might clue you in. Proof is not the issue--it's the fact that the Bible sets a good moral code.

On another note:
"Remember the Sabbath Day by keeping it holy."
How many Christians actually do that?

altair013

Reply by altair013 March 28, 2010 10:16pm PDTReport Abuse

@robert buckley, I am not here to dispute whether or not God exists either I am merely saying the bible is believed to be the truth by those who believe God exists, however that being said until the day comes that someone personally shows me hard evidence than I do not believe @rockmanforte's statement to be correct, but like you said that is why this nation is great, we are free to believe whatever we want.

and as for @alexander riehl, Quit being a grammar nazi, honestly nobody likes them

oh and Abby I applaud you

dsprenger

Reply by dsprenger March 28, 2010 10:58pm PDTReport Abuse

His Nodliness, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, blesses this event. The good news is spread via his disciples, who use pirate ships as the preferred vehicle of evangelism. Should she meet them on the high seas, she should fear not, for they shine the benevolent countenence of his Nooodliness. To learn more of our belief: www.venganza.org

RAmen

messican

Reply by messican March 29, 2010 12:25am PDTReport Abuse

I commend you, dsprenger, for your courage to post such bold ideas in a topic so riddled with religious tension.

As for the rest of you - In this ever changing world, the best lesson to learn is to be more open. Instead of criticizing each other for grammar, for mistakes, for perhaps having a different point of view, listen to what is really being said. And instead of debating it, or saying that such beliefs are wrong, why not try to understand it, before you instantly deem it unworthy of your full attention.

It's unfortunate that this inspiring article has triggered so much taut, unfriendly discussion. One would hope that instead it triggers some sort of hope, some sort of desire to see her make it through, to be successful and unharmed - instead it's somehow spiraled to the Bible, and religious beliefs?

I applaud Abby thoroughly, for having the remarkable courage to embark on this journey, and I am sincerely proud of her parents and family for allowing her to journey with such dangerous possibilities. They are all so brave, and even more so faithful in her success.

orleans1234

Reply by orleans1234 March 29, 2010 07:08am PDTReport Abuse

THE ANSWER TO ANY QUESTION YOU HAVE EVER HAD OR WILL EVER HAVE IN YOUR LIFE CAN BE FOUND "IN THE BIBLE". THAT IS A FACT. YOU CANNOT PROVE THE BIBLE WRONG NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.

turningthebarrel

Reply by turningthebarrel March 29, 2010 07:50am PDTReport Abuse

@alexander riehl I don't have much to say...but I wanted to tell you that I am a strong Christian and I do remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. And I believe that the Sabbath is on Saturday, not Sunday. After all God rested on the 7th day after Creation and said that it would be a day of rest did he not? And last I checked the 7th day was Saturday; not Sunday.

The Bible is so much more than just a book of good moral codes to live by....God gave us the Bible so we could learn more about him, learn to serve him, obey him and believe in him so that we could spend eternity with him.

On an ending note, I also applaud Abby for undertaking such an adventure at such a young age. I too am 16 and I simply could not imagine doing what she is doing. With that I say, "You go girl and may God bless you and keep you safe on your journey".

gerritstan

Posted by gerritstan March 28, 2010 03:10pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

Good Luck Abby and God's speed! On your return you might be interested in reading OuterBridge Reach by Robert Stone......

debimk39161

Posted by debimk39161 March 28, 2010 03:10pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

There's always a pooper in the crowd! You go Abby!! keep your head up and be safe and you will make it! And do what only those who can only have negitive things to say, dream about!! You make us all proud!!! :)

dave huntington

Reply by dave huntington March 29, 2010 03:44am PDTReport Abuse

I've been a sailor for 31 yrs.first in the Navy then as a Merchant Maritime sailor,whether we're good or bad people we all think the Lord looks out for us when the s**t hits the fan,and it will,it is inherently dangerous!So be it ! May the wind be at ur beam KID,,,My Prayers are with u!!Ask any sailors' wife how worried they are for their loved ones,prayer is all we got!!This little girl's got more guts than you whinny people have or ever will have in ur entire life,how very sad for u!
And those of you people that insist on quoting the Bible,try acting like a Christian,go ahead try it out for awhile,quit judging nay sayers(or poopers)As debimk39161 so eloquently said!AND LET ME REPEAT...YOU GO ABBY!!DO WHAT OTHERS ONLY DREAM ABOUT!!!

philip barto

Posted by philip barto March 28, 2010 03:15pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

I wish you calm waters and wind to fill your sails, and no troubles Matee! Needless to say becareful and the good thing about traveling alone is no one will spank you with a fire hose when you cross the International Dateline. But I think you still get your Shell Back Certificate, if you don't let me know, and you can have mine! Beware, the Cape of Good Hope is a Challenge for the "Best" of Sailors! Many have tried and come up short! Pull in Port and wait it out should you need to in this area.
Best Wishes!
Phil

dave huntington

Reply by dave huntington March 29, 2010 04:13am PDTReport Abuse

Thank You Phil,YOUR words come from a true sailor(few and far between)I sure hope someone gives her a Shell Back Cert.She will da*n sure earn it!!!...Remember,A GOOD CAPTAIN WILL GET YOU THROUGH ANY STORM,,,BUT A WISE CAPTAIN WILL AVOID THEM!!!

lizoneill

Posted by lizoneill March 28, 2010 03:17pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

DEAR ABBY YOU ARE A BRAVE YOUNG WOMEN! GOOD FOR YOU DOING WHAT YOU SET YOUR MIND TO DO! BE SURE TO WRITE IN A JOURNAL SO THAT WE ALL CAN READ OF YOUR ADVENTURES! HOPE U HAVE A CAMERA TO TAKE PICTURES! MOST OF ALL BE SAFE!!GOD BLESS!! CAN NOT WAIT TO HEAR GOOD THINGS FROM YOUR ADVENTURE!
LIZ O'NEILL
RHODE ISLAND

exflaman

Reply by exflaman March 28, 2010 05:50pm PDTReport Abuse

Lizoneil, May I suggest you research Jessica Watson? A 16 year old Aussie girl almost completing her circumnavigation.WITHOUT Making Land fall ANYWHERE! I wish Abby the best of Luck!

grumpyoldguy

Posted by grumpyoldguy March 28, 2010 03:17pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

So "zipped" is upset because her family can afford to help her achieve this? Do you also get annoyed with Olympic and professional athletes who have received help from their families (or governments)? And because she likes to watch DVDs in addition to enjoying nature, this makes her less of a person (or sailor) somehow? You say "my response has nothing to do with her gender or age," yet refer to her as "just a little girl." You also say on one hand that "She is not prepared for something of this magnitude," yet complain that she has had help and support and "has already made multiple stops into port," as if that negates anything else she does. So what if she's not Lindbergh or Earhart. If they were still around I'll bet they'd be cheering her on.

jason mester

Reply by jason mester March 28, 2010 03:35pm PDTReport Abuse

Lindbergh and Earhart both had assistance of some kind as well. Does this make them any less of the celebrated heroes they were/are? I was in Iraq several times and tell you what... When I wasn't fighting or on a convoy or otherwise busy I laid in my bunk playing my Gameboy and watching DVDs. Does that make me any less of a soldier? If so please say so and then tell all the rest over there the same thing... dare ya zipped.

zipped

Reply by zipped March 28, 2010 03:38pm PDTReport Abuse

"just a little girl." was used as an adjective, a fact and a way to describe her. I'm not upset about her or the fact that the family can afford to support 2 kids to sail around the world.

What I am upset about is that Abby was not prepared for the voyage and she was rushing to get out there so that she could be a record holder.

jdonnelly

Reply by jdonnelly March 28, 2010 04:52pm PDTReport Abuse

why dont u zip it

dave huntington

Reply by dave huntington March 29, 2010 04:32am PDTReport Abuse

THANK YOU FOR FIGHTING FOR THE FREEDOMS WE SO GENEROUSLY ENJOY PHIL! Go Abby Go!! Our society(the majority of body of people)say 18yrs.is some magic number that makes us an "adult" {unless ur Jewish,then 13}I'm sure Abby is far more prepared than most "adults"for this journey! I'LL SAY A PRAYER FOR U KID!!

trevor rockhold

Reply by trevor rockhold March 29, 2010 10:26am PDTReport Abuse

listen zipped, you just got owned because you failed to have any heart or human decency. please get off the computer and go to your alcholics anonymous meeting before your parole officer arrests you on crack charges.

cate

Reply by cate March 29, 2010 11:15pm PDTReport Abuse

That's why earhart died. sure she did some great awesome things. but did she live to tell the tale. no she died, not in her warm bed, but in the middle of the pacific ocean, cold and frightened no doubt, never to be found. and what a great sorrow for us all. and a lesson to learn, reach for your dream until you succeed not till you die. to die for a dream maybe heroic but what's the use of all the accolades if you're not living anymore. pursuing ones dream is one thing but to die for it and leave behind family and friends and people who care about you is selfish.

And yeah, she didn't actually "fly" the plane solo in her first attempt but she "flew with her in" the aircraft with two other pilots actually flying the plane. She is opposed to the idea because she LOVES flying but to market her being the "commander" while she is really just a passenger with two other more "able" male pilots is more feasible rather than her flying the plane. Sexist I know and would make women activists blood boiling but that's how it really happened. And her final attempt, she did not make it. How sad.

Anyhoo, this kid's got a lot of brain power and gusto for life. She might have what it takes. Godspeed!

mwr71264

Posted by mwr71264 March 28, 2010 03:18pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

You got more guts than I do! Good Luck and be safe!!

eddieandrews

Posted by eddieandrews March 28, 2010 03:18pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

May she stand tall as the pilot of the four winds that fill her sails. My thoughts and prayers are with you on this quest. You blow me away with your courage. GO ABBY GO!!!

b2b

Posted by b2b March 28, 2010 03:19pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

Is the Cromwell's daughter? Anyway we can keep religion off this topic?
Sounds like the parents put her up to this...I wish here well but..What about experience?
Hope she keeps extra batteries to radio on channel 16.
Like mentioned above this is a copycat voyage already been DONE.

molyemi4

Reply by molyemi4 March 28, 2010 04:07pm PDTReport Abuse

By you? Please try a courageous copycat venture! Wish you well ABBY! safe voyage

vickeedee

Reply by vickeedee March 28, 2010 07:57pm PDTReport Abuse

it may be a copycat voyage, but its a challenge to get it done at an earlier age. it may have been done. but not by someone her age. and i highly doubt she would go along with this if it meant she could be in danger at several times if her parents put her up to it. this isnt something to just let your parents tell you what to do. it was her decision and thats that. and as for experience, this voyage has been in the news several times, its well known that she has plenty of experience. so unless you are JUST learning about this girls attempt to cross the oceans, her experience shouldnt be questioned to the point of whether or not she has any.

claude cooper

Reply by claude cooper March 29, 2010 01:27am PDTReport Abuse

You know b2b I agree with only one thing you said, we should keep religion out of every thing in our daily lives. I just hope you meant religion and not God, as many others mistakenly think that they are one in the same.They are not same. We should keep God in everything we do in our daily lives. I am quite sure that Abby's parents would agree with their daily prayers for Abby to be safe. As for copycats, I have never heard anyone say, to the Bronze, Silver and Gold Olympic Athlete's, oh you just a belong to a very long list of copycats. No, I should say not, because if young people have the guts to step out on their own, to prove that they're the best or belong with the best at what they do, I will take the time to tell them you deserve to be noticed as one who is undertaking a unique voyage in your lives. Each and everyone that does what your doing Abby are worthy of a class of their own. Now, for Mom and Dad, if you have that much influence with your children, for them to want to follow in your footsteps, I would say you both are doing the right things,in the right places, at the right time. Way to go mom and dad, I'm praying for her to M & D.
Now Abby one last thing, "You Go Girl".

erunion7

Reply by erunion7 March 29, 2010 08:38am PDTReport Abuse

who cares if it is a copycat voyage? If I wanted to fly around the world, would I be copying off Amelia Earhart? Probably. Would I want to do it anyway, just to say that I did it? Absolutely! If I had a plane and the money, I would leave tomorrow! (I'm already an instrument rated pilot, currently working on commercial).

trevor rockhold

Reply by trevor rockhold March 29, 2010 10:23am PDTReport Abuse

haha. what do people do nowadays that isnt copycat? b2b, i am officially calling you out. tell me one thing you have ever done in your life that has not been done already. literally. one thing. just tell me one thing and ill leave you alone. if not, then you are more of a copycat that Abby and the biggest copycat of all. the way you get to work. copied. someone else has already done everything that you have ever done or will ever do. if you have ever done anythiong that wasnt already done before your time, you name would be in the news. get your mind straight. and if you dont reply to this, then i know you are just a coward using the might of words to try to make yourself look good. Have A Nice Day. :)

trevor rockhold

Reply by trevor rockhold March 29, 2010 10:23am PDTReport Abuse

haha. what do people do nowadays that isnt copycat? b2b, i am officially calling you out. tell me one thing you have ever done in your life that has not been done already. literally. one thing. just tell me one thing and ill leave you alone. if not, then you are more of a copycat that Abby and the biggest copycat of all. the way you get to work. copied. someone else has already done everything that you have ever done or will ever do. if you have ever done anythiong that wasnt already done before your time, you name would be in the news. get your mind straight. and if you dont reply to this, then i know you are just a coward using the might of words to try to make yourself look good. Have A Nice Day. :)

kgnum1

Posted by kgnum1 March 28, 2010 03:21pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

zipped you are an idiot

sickofnegativepeople

Reply by sickofnegativepeople March 28, 2010 04:20pm PDTReport Abuse

i agree whole heartily

catch66

Reply by catch66 March 28, 2010 07:07pm PDTReport Abuse

sickofnegativepeople, Your Login Id I fully agree with.
And I agree as well.

mreh

Reply by mreh March 28, 2010 10:05pm PDTReport Abuse

isn't being sick of negative people being negative? and wouldn't agreeing someone is an idiot also be negative. if your trying to remain positive, you aren't doing such a fine job.

babaotu

Reply by babaotu March 29, 2010 04:02am PDTReport Abuse

dont insult

mario paniagua

Reply by mario paniagua March 29, 2010 07:23am PDTReport Abuse

I feel so bad for the pathetic losers that "wouldn't" let their child do something like this. That is probably why your children will never get anywhere in life. I would be proud to have a child who is brave and smart enough to endure a voyage like this one. WIsh you the best Abby! Stay safe!

dmaryr

Reply by dmaryr March 29, 2010 10:19am PDTReport Abuse

I dont understand why it's so bad that this girl wants to do something great with her life. And what is so bad about her parents supporting her. Imagine if her parents had told her not to do it until she is 18 (and won't be legally held responsible), what's the difference? She would still be taking an enormous risk and still be considered young by many peoples' standard. I'm sure if her skill level was not up to par the American Sailing Association would not be giving her permission to do this. Age is not an indication of maturity or decision making ability. If her parents honestly believed she could not accomplish this I'm sure they would not have let her do this. Just because they want her to do something great does not mean they don't love her or want her. All great accomplishments require a great risk.

yke gazzy udo

Posted by yke gazzy udo March 28, 2010 03:22pm PDTReply | Report Abuse

what you chose to embark in is what most people both young and old will never dare to do,i may not come to the terms of meeting with you in real life,but i wish you the best of luck and to tell you the oceans must obey you,the wind will give way on your entrance,Abby you will achieve your goals.go go go nature is solidly behind you.

babaotu

Reply by babaotu March 29, 2010 04:05am PDTReport Abuse

yke gazzy udo you must be an igbo man like me, if not, at least you are 9jirian. yes ofo na ogu are in charge

dave huntington

Reply by dave huntington March 29, 2010 04:43am PDTReport Abuse

Wow, what language are you speaking in???Ghanaian?Sorry,hard for me to decipher!

trevor rockhold

Reply by trevor rockhold March 29, 2010 10:17am PDTReport Abuse

mister babaotu, please lay off the crack. as for this brave girl, would you all be complaining if she was a he? i think not. if it was a guy there would be less comments on this post and more people would just say it is his ego and that he is an amazing human being. but to give this girls parents crap about letting their daughter become a woman and more of a person than 3/4 of the people on this blog post will ever be by the age of 16 is just alot of people wishing they had the balls to do it themselves. I am an 18 year old guy and would love to meet such a couragous and adventerous woman. Abby, if you somehow get to read this, just know that most of us are DAMN proud of you and we hope you get back safe. as for your parents, im sure your coping with this every day, but dont worry. Abby sounds like a well taught woman and like she can handle her own. You will be in my prayers abby. :)

brandon welty

Reply by brandon welty March 29, 2010 12:11pm PDTReport Abuse

Abby,
you seem like a killer chick stoked for you and your adventure! I will pray and keep good thoughts flowing your way! The cape horn will be a little rough but I know you will be able to pull it off! I hope for the best!!

Boat-agate navigate comunicate

ricco wil

Reply by ricco wil March 29, 2010 08:38pm PDTReport Abuse

Can I say something?? I knew why their parent allow her to do this? Since they want to be spotlight and hope to make movie about her.. So her parent can make rich off from offers. They look for media attentions and found out that she is youngest than others. So they decide to seize the opportunity to kick someone else who used to be younger. They want is $$$$$$$$$$. They dont care about it and want $$$ from life insurance plus possible to make movie about her. I start to see the people do it now.. For example, what happen with UFO balloon flies around. They said boy is inside of it. They believe it and doing for them. They want to get media attention and hope to make movie about him and ufo balloon. That's what they are doing now with this youngest girl to be tour around the world. She is trying to be popular and hope to be famous. That's what she is doing to risk. she knows it but she is hungry to get media attentions.

ricco wil

Reply by ricco wil March 29, 2010 08:48pm PDTReport Abuse

what is more that parents re using children as weapon to get life insurance if one of them die, they can get life insurance and buy house , nice car. they don't care about child right now. Many of them are hungry to get money to support their life better. That's what the parent of Sunderland try to do. If sunderland died from sink or whatever while on journey. They will say oh well and maybe fake cry that she loses. SO life insurance company will give them $$ and move on.. They just want to make more money is ask for making movie of her.. They can remember of her.. I am not surprise if it happens to her when she is on touring around the world.

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